Pat Parker27 January at 6:36pmPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Good afternoon, Jen. I think we have made our points quite clear, but unfortunately they must be written as a poem, a news article full of slander and gossip, a message from a secret society or .... In one paragraph only. Otherwise, it all gets lost in the cobwebs of the unused mind. pity, really. D.
Yep, you guessed it...I'm writing about anything I want on the thread, since the original poster brought it to shit. Actually, I'm just having a little laugh, don't worry, I'm done with this particular topic...I have more important things to do now...I have a self assigned project at the moment which requires my full attention. So, I'm off now to begin my work on that.
Again, have a great day, people. Have fun, be safe and carry on.
evoulini27 January at 8:37pmPosts: 1750 (0 today)Status: offline
Sorry for bumping this up, I hope you're all well. But I was 18 when I joined this forum, I'm now 22 and the same person is still trashing it. Grow up, please, even I did
Pat Parker27 January at 8:44pmPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Hi evoluni. Hope you are doing well also. Will you be seeing any pg shows this year? Hope u can catch one ... They're great.
Have a great day everyone!
ynotchris27 January at 9:56pmPosts: 18 (0 today)Status: offline
Pat Parker27 January at 10:25pmPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Off topic again, sorry . . . Ynotchris -- your profile pic is adorable! I especially like the "human-like" features of the eyes . However, I think my Harry Pawter is a wee bit cuter -- but of course, I'm a bit biased
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reminder: my thread
peace love and joy to you
Pat Parker27 January at 10:55pmPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Reminder: Public forum.
Nothing but peace, love and joy happening in my world, I'm very happy to say... and a little bit of housework but still joyful all the same, listening to the SO DNA cd while I tidy up the house . . . . love, love, love that cd the best out of the whole SO package. (See how I brought it back on the PG topic again ).
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happy joy joy to y'all
Found a very long interview with PG from 1974 (by the way, try to speak in positives, does ya a world of good)
Anywho, it's a very long interview, so I shall divide it up
Peter Gabriel Ponders Cartoons, Costumes, and The Myths of Genesis
Lead singer and spokesman Peter Gabriel is one of the most uniqueactors on the rock stage today and his costumes are legendary.
Despite his odd enactments onstage Gabriel's off-duty demeanor isthat of a rather shy and quite decently normal Englishman. Circus Magazine interviewer Scott Cohen sat at one end of the transatlantic telephone cables, atop offices across a canyon from the Chrysler Building.
Genesis' Peter Gabriel sat at the other end of the line on a posh stairway in the home of his relations in London with a view of the kitchen. Nothing was cooking.
Circus: There is a popular belief that a person with a name consisting it of either two surnames like Scott Cohen, or with two first names like Peter Gabriel, is destined for either wealth or fame. Do you think there'sany truth to that?
Gabriel: We have a good representation in high places, the Gabriel part anyway.
Circus: How high?
Gabriel: Heaven. You see, we run the angels. Officially. That's what the textbooks say.
My family arrived in this country from Spain at the time of the Armada, and the story goes we were adopted by Cornish peasants.
Circus: And then what happened?
Gabriel: I was born. I was born on a farm about thirty miles from London, in 1950, at a place called Chobham.
Circus: Does the name Genesis come from the Bible?
Gabriel: It came from the mind of the only guy we could find to pay for the production of our album, Jonathan King. He had an idea for whathe wanted to call us, and we weren't in a position to jeopardize our future.
Circus: Where did you meet the other members of the Band?
Gabriel: That was private school in your terms, but what we call public school.
Circus: Oh, private school here is public school there? What's public school called in England?
Circus: We call prisons here "state."
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Part 2 - interview with Peter Gabriel during his Genesis days
Gabriel: Three of the five in the band have middle-class backgrounds,and two have more earthy urban-based origins.
Circus: Were you dressing up in costumes back then?
Gabriel: Besides impersonations of an oak tree, there was very little.I once designed a hat, and Keith Richard and Marianne Faithful bought one and I was very proud of that. I saw Marianne Faithful wearing it once on"Jukebox Jury." which is a record panel show. It was a tallish hat, a rip-off from a medieval design.
Circus: Who did you identify with, the Mods or the Rockers?
Gabriel: With the Mods of the two. They had The Who and The Small Faces, and the Rockers had Jerry Lee Lewis and not much else.
Circus: I notice that there's a lot of white at Genesis' concerts.Is white your favorite color?
Gabriel: No, but it certainly does show up well. I like sort of electric turquoise.
Circus: Then why do you usually have a white stage white backgroundand the band usually dressed in white?
Gabriel: Originally we did it partially for the lighting, but we also use black a lot. Part of the idea was that the white would act the maximum reflection for any other color put out on the stage. It would heighten whatever color we used with it.
Circus: I guess white is an easier color to work with.
Gabriel: Well, now we use black - I guess, because black is morein my head at this time, and black is easier on the eyes. Black is alsothe color of night.
Circus: How important is the performance to your music?
Gabriel: To us, to the audience or to the critics? To us the primarypleasure is writing and recording. To the audience it's the most importantbecause it's the most direct medium, and it works as the strongest.
To the critics it seems to be the catalyst of shifting a review one way orthe other. In other words, to the critics, a review will depend upon howwe develop the presentation.
Circus: Have you ever seen the film "Children of Paradise?"
Gabriel: No, I didn't actually. It is one of the films I have onmy list.
Circus: Which films have you seen that you liked?
Gabriel: Well, I'm quite partial to some of the Pasolini and Fellini types. I enjoyed your "Serpico" very much.
Circus: How about Walt Disney?
Gabriel: Yeah, I like cartoons very much. I feel there is a similarity between us and cartoons, because cartoons represent very much our type of characters, very easy to understand characteristics, you have to look at them once to understand what they are. They're exaggerated and there's a fantasy to them and very little realistic bounce at the boundaries.
Circus: Do you try to create the musical equivalent of a comic book?
Gabriel: Comic book is the wrong word I think. What I'm thinkingof is, well, I don't think these films have been made yet, but saying Disney is pretty apt or Fellini or the surrealist inclined filmmakers.
Circus: How much has mime influenced you?
Gabriel: Well, not too much. I try to use it a bit. With the minimum of fuss we try to say the most that is possible. I really don't think I make a good mime artist, I don't think I'd consider myself such, but ratherI try to use my hands to express some thought.
Circus: Have you learned from Marceau and Chaplin?
Gabriel: I saw Marceau once in New York and I was very impressedwith him and Lindsay Kemp. With them it's really an art form, with me it'ssomething I just dabble in, so as to get something across; but I think,particularly with Marceau, it's something he's worked with for a great length of time.
Circus: Would you say you are a man of a thousand faces?
Gabriel: No, I wouldn't say so. You would. Mostly when I look inthe mirror it's the same face I expect, but it isn't always.
Circus: Do you find when you wear a mask the mask takes you over,that you become the mask?
Gabriel: Yeah, I find that quite so. When I wear the mask I findit easier to be the part the mask is. I'm usually very inhibited, but behindthe masks I'm not quite so.
Circus: Who makes your masks?
Gabriel: Well, I did have a guy in London named Guy Chapman, but he had a bust-up with his girlfriend and had to leave, so I'm going to need someone else.
Circus: How many masks do you have so far?
Gabriel: I don't know, I think I have six to ten. Some are also hatpieces.
Circus: In Bali, where they are famous for masks, a mask maker willspend two, to three years creating one and in the end, when it's complete,if the maker doesn't see it fire or spirit emanating from the mask, hewill destroy it and start again. Do you have a similar feeling about yourmasks?
Gabriel: Yeah, with the flower mask and the old man.
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Part 3 - interview with Peter Gabriel during his Genesis days
Circus: Do you think that the clothes make the man?
Gabriel: No, but they can make some of the packaging, and peopleare susceptible to packaging.
Circus: Are you influenced by Bowie's costumes?
Gabriel: I think we were headed in that direction before he was,though I'm not sure.
Circus: Do you think he was influenced by you?
Gabriel: No, I wouldn't say that either.
Circus: What would you say the basic differences between Bowie'scostumes and yours are?
Gabriel: As far as what I understood about his costumes, they weredone for a desired effect rather than for a relevance for the material,whereas what we did was we tried to materialize some of the charactersin the lyrics.
Circus: Do you remember your last year's Halloween costume?
Gabriel: I wasn't in a costume. It's not celebrated the same wayin this country.
Circus: Your physical trademark is the part in your hair which isshaved, like a zipper.
Gabriel: Yeah, I have one or two reasons I give. Usually I say Ishave it so I'll become wealthy and famous. I also do it to make my faceseem longer, which gives me an oriental look. But I've stopped doing thatnow.
Circus: Did you use a razor and cream or Nair?
Gabriel: I'll shave it with a razor and cream every day. If I didsomething like that again, I think l'll do the opposite, and shave it likea Mohawk.
Circus: Would you say the covers illustrate the music on the albums?
Gabriel: Yeah, though in one case I wrote the lyrics of a song aftera painting I thought was particularly interesting for a cover.
Circus: Which British bands most resemble Genesis?
Gabriel: Well, usually. it's the other way around. We've been influencedby the Beatles, Procol Harum, King Crimson, bands like that.
(Two other questions were asked of Peter, "Would you like to do aBroadway show" and "Was Peter Pan a childhood hero," but due to earsplittingstatic caused by more than the usual electrical interferences, parts ofPeter's reply were inaudible, but pricking our ears the best we could,his answers seemed to be:
"The Broadway show is not what it is cracked up to in that therewas a certain amount of myth involved about them and Genesis would preferto make a movie instead."
"Peter Pan was not a childhood hero, but he did enjoy the Britishperformance. He was not aware, but found it quite amusing that Mary Martinplayed the normally male role ot Peter Pan in the American version."
Circus: When you fly around the stage, what is it like?
Gabriel: I could actually fly when I was seven or eight. We had someapple trees, and I used to fly around them, but generally I'm not believedwhen I tell people that.
Circus: How high off the ground were you able to fly?
Gabriel: Only about three feet.
Circus: An experience not to he equaled onstage?
Gabriel: No, particularly when the gentleman holding the wire isincompetent...
Circus: Are you thinking about him when you're flying?
Gabriel: Well, one of the things I'm thinking about is how not toget the wire caught around my neck. In London there's one guy who's reallygreat, but over here in the States I have to use the eight or so guys theygive me and they all think they're chiefs and there's no indians.
Circus: What's your all-time fairy tale?
Gabriel: I was going to say David Bowie, but then I thought again. Actually there's one called Lilith that's put out by Ballentine Books that's a very fine one, that's pre-Tolkien, and it's one of my favorite books.
Circus: How do you handle hecklers when you're reciting a story onstage?
Gabriel: I quite enjoy the heckling atmosphere because it keeps you on edge. You can get complacent if the audience gets too soft. It's lessinteresting.
Circus: Is Burt Bacharach one of your favorite songwriters?
Gabriel: No, but he is someone I respect - people like Bacharach, Joni Mitchell, some of Jim Welch, people who understand their craft, butI also like some things that are very elementary and very rough.
Circus: Yesterday's newspaper headlines concerned Nixon's pardonand Evel Knievel's blunder.
Gabriel: Yes, I'm very interested in that, I was waiting for Nixon's departure. I didn't expect it to take so long.
Evel Knievel, I think, is a great folk hero, he's the stuff that myths are made of. I like that.There have been many plays and books theorizing on the possibilities of attracting world wide attention through suicide or possible suicide. And he really realized that, for the first time ever as far as I know.
The fact that he got all the media coverage that he did is obviously becauseof the fact that he might die, so I find it fascinating from that point of view.
It seems that it was impossible that he would die now after the event, but before the event there were no skeptics in the media. On the other hand, there seems to be a political interest there on how people can be moved by political events, but it doesn't seem to be a very just action.
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Part 4 - interview with Peter Gabriel during his Genesis days
Circus: He dresses up just like Captain America, the comic book character?
Gabriel: Oh, we're on Evel Knievel. I was on Nixon's pardon.
Circus: Well, he too dresses up like a comic book character.
Gabriel: The thing about the President of America is that he's also like a myth, and it seems that Nixon enjoyed perpetuating that sort of kissing the flag routine, whereas over here, although I'm not a monarchist.
All the paraphernalia, show and glitter is washed away on the Queen, and the Prime Minister is a dull man who bows to the Queen's feet. I think it's interesting that one of the Watergate people was at one time a tour guide at Disneyland.
Circus: Do you think Americans idolize Hollywood stars and rock stars because there is no royalty?
Gabriel: No, because royalty is in no way a replacement for rock stars. I think people need heroes, which I think is a weakness in someways. In the same way the press or the media blows up the heroes and theauthorities, it also makes ordinary citizens into sex crazed criminals- which is equally unrealistic.
Circus: Which cartoon character do you idolize most?
Gabriel: I can't pick one out, but I think being able to change fromone thing to another is something I'm envious of. I have an award for pretentions.
Circus: An award for pretentions? What pretentions? What do you mean?
Gabriel: Well, they're things that appear in other people's heads, particularly when our music and words don't feel comfortable to their senses.
Circus: Who do you identify with most in literature?
Gabriel: I don't know, but it would not include Mary Poppins.
Circus: Who would you like most to produce your album?
Gabriel: Paul Samwell-Smith; He used to be the Yardbirds' bass guitarist. He produced Cat Stevens.
Circus: Would you like Burt Bacharach?
Gabriel: No, he would be too sweet.
Circus: How about Evel Knievel?
Gabriel: Yeah. He would be good. I would like him to do publicity.
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Part 5 - interview with Peter Gabriel during his Genesis days
Circus: What did you think of Disneyland?
Gabriel: I was very disappointed in the fact that it was much smaller than I thought, and it had a hollow ring that I wish wasn't there. I think that the potential for a place such as that is incredible.
I have many dreams of getting a place built where the fantasia are more credible and relevant. In other words, one would get a sort of well known artist toactually build the fair grounds and the rides.
Circus: Disneyland would probably he more interesting as a cemetery.There's one in Hollywood almost like that.
Gabriel: Yeah. I think I saw a program on TV on it. It was very interesting, I loved the vulgarity about it.
Circus: Do you know what kind or tombstone you would like to have?
Gabriel: No. I would like to be cremated. Well, if one wanted to get romantic about it, I'd like to be thrown on a patch of land I'm fond of, or be planted under a tree or something. It's a terrible waste of space to be buried.
Circus: I would rather be buried and keep my body intact.
Gabriel: Well, not necessarily with my body, but I always wanted to see a body left out in a garden or on the grass and naturally go back into the earth. The process of decay could he quite beautiful.
The End (finally)
Zenrider28 January at 1:51amPosts: 3545 (0 today)Status: offline
ynotchris, thanks for the video. Made me laugh. The drummer and piano player have no clue. Bass player seemed to have a clue and pretty sure I caught him trying not to laugh a few times. Peter and Sinead did a fantastic job with the backup they had. Kinda cute how Peter every now and then look at the keyboard guy like 'Really?' Love how when Peter tried to get them to stop, they kept playing. Which then showed why many of us love Peter, does he get mad? Nope, he shares a laugh with Sinead instead.
Must say, if done a slight bit better, I could of dug the Reggae sort of groove they gave it.
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Pat Parker28 January at 3:34amPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
The video (of Sinead and PG in Chile 1990) is quite amusing, but what a mess at the time -- the other thing that I noticed right from the start is that there is nearly no eye contact at all between Sinead and PG. He's trying a few times to get her attention -- especially with the "Don't Give Up" chorus -- PGeez, she doesn't look at him once. There was an obvious tension between the two at the time -- very noticeable. Talk about an awkward moment, huh? The entire song was a disaster -- but of course, PG pulled it off and went "on with the show!"
I absolutely adore Sinead O'Connor. I think she has one of the most beautiful voices around.
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May include PG's Genesis -
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sculduggery28 January at 11:07amPosts: 152 (0 today)Status: offline
I saw Sinead O'Connor live last year and it was one of the best shows I have ever seen. She has an astonishing voice, full of power and vulnerability. She is one of only a handful of genuinely dynamic, exciting and engaging performers I have seen on stage. Great songs, a fantastic band and the audience were in the palm of her hand. I was also fortunate enough to witness the soundcheck where she was very much in charge of things, making good use of of a fair amount of fruity language in her delicious irish accent (the show was in a church) to direct the sound engineers and band until she was completely satisfied. If you get the chance, I thoroughly recommend seeing her live.
I love the few tunes she recorded with PG.
Pat Parker28 January at 2:31pmPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Sculduggery -- I totally agree with you -- she is so very dynamic and her songs are really very soulful. I have always liked her. I have seen her live a few times, but that was many years ago. I remember reading some interviews with her and she had a tough life (like many, I'm sure) and I often take that type of thing into account when listening to a person's songs -- I admire anyone who can take very negative parts of their lives and turn them into something so beautiful like a song -- that's truly a gift, me thinks.
As for the tunes she recorded with PG -- I again, feel the same. They actually had a nice combo there . . . perhaps another time, another place, we'll hear them again.