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from "take a wild guess" aka rraven aka Rena From the Misc. section "She's insane, Bob. She cost me over $10,000 in damages. I can't afford a lawyer to sue. She got away with abusing me and she's just looking for more people to abuse. You don;t want what happened to me to happen to you. All we can do is hope she suddenly drops dead." the computer story is a lie and the death threat is just nasty, but typical of Rena/rraven/take a wild guess

I never hope anyone drops dead but I don't think hoping is an actual death threat. I would hope that you lose interest in this website and go along your merry way elsewhere on the web. That's just me though.

Jen, Rena is a liar and you know it, you even said so last year and got her banned from this forum for a while. I did not abuse her online, it was the other way round, she is a liar and wanting me to "drop dead" is sick and the result of an emotionally unstable woman.

I let Rena know what I said to RW and why - that's over. You however NEVER STOP! I never believed that you caused problems with her computer because honestly I didn't think you were smart enough to do it not because I think you are incapable of doing something like that. Cyn One time you were my friend but I realized too late that you are disturbed. I don't hate you but I do think you need help. I don't think you will get that help and that is why I have blocked you from communicating with me on FB and email. If I could block you here I would because it just gets tired. Shame on me for jumping back in, I really should have just ignored your ravings but from now on I will try my best to do so. Apologies to PG or anyone at RW reading this tripe. Honestly folks do your best to ignore all this and hopefully we can have our peaceful moon back.

I'm going to stop replying to your taunts, it gets nowhere - and puts me at the same level as you all - so I will stop - and you all will stop this pointless board war - I'm letting it go, lets hope you guys can let it go too

I have to agree with everyone, that Rena's comment was not a threat, so for you to make that part of the subject title shows us how deranged you are. I do, however, feel that the best thing that could happen would be that your computer dies.

why not stop posting here, and let this thread go away, like I'd like that post of rraven's to go away. No matter what I've ever done or said, I have never wished for someone to "drop dead" think about it - let it go

Why not stop posting here you ask? Because I don't wanna stop posting here is my answer. ~ you spider, you got caught in your own tangled web. You did wrong and now you are sorry, I find it so insincere, and I feel the reason I find it insincere is because you were caught in lies that you could not get out of. With respect, and now that I have been able to say a little bit on how I feel about the matter. I will let this go, because you are a human being and have faults & I am a human being who has sympathy. But if you ever bring my name up again in any sick conversation that accuses people of wrong doing, then I will have to come back to you and not be so nice. I assume you understand this & will comply.

Wow! Sometimes this place really is full of lunies, yeah?? Because I had been banned from the site while I was being de-liced by Rich at RW, I had no idea that this had been going on here. I left a few nights ago, still trying to change my name back to my own and that's when all hell broke loose for me -- I deactivated myself and then couldn't get back in -- could not even bring up the peter gabriel website. Thanks to the de-bugging and decontamination, I'm all squeaky clean and bug free . . . and I'm back as me, Pat Parker, just like I used to be! So I have spent some time perusing the various threads and their discussions and when I came across this one, well, I just had to read it -- because at first glance, I thought there had been a death threat against Rena and I wondered what that had to do with the Peter Gabriel topic -- somehow I just don't picture him making death threats against anyone. Well, of course, now that I've read the various exchanges here, I wanted to comment on it -- not to keep this thread alive . . . hhmm, the irony . . . keeping the death threat thread alive . . . but I really just wanted to comment on the overall discussion, not to be argumentative or anything. From what I read, the post by Rraven is what it is . . . it seems to be a direct quote (something which I know Cyn likes to do, so that there's no question as to what's written), and it's definitely Rraven's style of writing. That, and the fact, that the topic is not new (or at least it's not new to many of us who still frequent the forums) makes me realize that the same old shit has begun again . . . and I'm not taking any side here at all, there are no sides to this because this is all "history" in the sense that nothing was accomplished the last time this went down and nothing will be accomplished again. It's just really old, tiring, and very, very zzzzzzzzzzzz . . . boring. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz So, it's in the spotlight once again, whatever "it" is and Rraven has written that "all we can hope for is for her [Cyn] to drop dead." Granted, it's not the nicest of sentiments,but neither is it a threat -- it is not a threat at all, not even if it was said face-to-face, person-to-person, lunie-to-lunie -- it's not polite, can be considered rude or mean, but in no way does it constitute a threat. As far as the "lies" told by Rraven concerning computer damage, well, again, that would need to be validated and I'm not sure how that can be done. Even if it is true, that is something that would need to be worked out between the parties involved. I do not think it wise to continually bring up the past, to make derogatory comments toward each other -- Cyn and Rraven are equally as guilty in the name-calling departments, let's face it lunies. To use words such as "insane" (Rraven) and "emotionally unstable woman" (Cyn) are not appropriate because these words would typically represent those used by mental health professionals, which neither of you are. So, the best thing for either/both of you (Rraven/Cyn) to do would be to either: (1) stop feeding into each other's webs and/or (2) stop visiting the forums completely -- which I would not expect you to do. I realize that you started this thread, now want it to stop and my comments will only add to it. For that, I'm sorry, but quite honestly, you cannot expect to write a thread with such a catchy title and not expect us lunies to read it and possibly coment on it, yeah? So, all this to say, I think Rraven's statement is not something I would say or do, but that doesn't make it wrong and it doesn't make it illegal. It's just the way in which she speaks (writes, in this case) -- it's not the first time she has spoken harshly against someone. At the same time, I think Cyn's constant condescending comments toward lunies like Jen, Moonie, Darcy, Rev, etc., are equal to the supposed death threat of Rraven -- they're both harmless, but annoying and unnecessary comments and they wreak havoc with the harmony of this place. I agree with Moonie above when she writes: "With respect, and now that I have been able to say a little bit on how I feel about the matter. I will let this go, because you are a human being and have faults & I am a human being who has sympathy." -- I agree 100% and thank her for writing it and hopes she doesn't mind my copying and pasting it. So, let's all settle down and carry on -- we don't all have to like each other or get along, but the beauty of this place is that we can wholeheartedly ignore someone -- and that won't cause anyone any harm at all. Kind regards to all,

Thank you Pat

I will say this, I have been posting for the last 6 months as Zanti and Jadzia, quite peacefully I might add. That lasted until moonstorm decided to expose me in a thread, where I mentioned that I couldn't change my name or avatar - someone had started the thread to complain that they couldn't change things, or in some cases log in or log out. So moonstorm chirps up and lays into me - remember I have been peacefully posting for 6 months. The others started disrupting this board with accusations and lies - I was damned if I did (try to reply) and damned if I didn't - say nothing - they carried on like a rabid gang. Again, who is disrupting this board??? Six month of me posting with no problems - then this little core of people ganged up - and oh how they enjoy, pointing their fingers and saying "what a trouble maker" I am They are the problem children - this is the last time I will address - oh not to mention this core of people distrupting my thread in misc - or going over to my other board - which is none of their business, like silly little spies then coming back to report all kinds of exaggerations and lies to another poster. Leave off people, you are acting like spiteful bullies - harassment and libel - yes Rena lied and wished me dead - that is wrong so again I say, I have posted peacefully for the last 6 months - the others are a gang with the mob mentality - and there seems no hope - they are off on a major power trip, so self-righteousness that they are in the right. Can you imagine the reaction of these people if I had posted like Rena, "I hope she just drops dead" can you picture that???

For someone who wants this thread to fall off the front page . . . . . . . . . .

Jen, the thread was already near the top - but who really cares anymore - your little core gang will keep it alive no matter what

Hmmmmm. Haven't been here for months and, just like a soap opera, I come back and things are just as I left them. Same old shit being stirred by the same old stirrer (Is that a word??) I'll have to come back when I have a week and see if anything new has been posted. Love all you "old timers" and most of you "new timers" and hope to catch up with you all soon!!!!

Well... I feel bad, if anyone here is hurting... I would pray that whoever posts here would be blessed, and have a great day! May we all find the good, in every situation...no matter how difficult. And may we all find peace...

Apologies once again, I said I would ignore and instead I reacted. I reaffirm my resolve to let this go, ignore, ignore, ignore. If you don't add kindling to a fire sooner or later it goes out.

No apologies necessary, Jen. Hey, Deb, sorry I missed you here -- I'm not on here much myself these days and didn't catch ya while you were here. Maybe next time.

Hi Deb, sorry it's not that pleasant here these days. It's a shame really.

This is for anyone who would like to find some better discussions; Music, Live, Albums, Art forums so far have remained untainted.

& now I feel I have said my peace. My name better not get brought up again by Penngwraith or ....whatever will be the next of her many names. We need to wish each other well and move out of each others way.