mooniest20 July 2012 at 3:45amPosts: 1531 (0 today)Status: offline
this is what Pat Parker wrote:
Wow! I finally begin to join in on the discussions here at the roundtable (something I never did because I never felt wanted here) and this is what I find in the discussions. I'm so sorry Karen that you continue to feel this way -- in fact, I've only ever looked in at this particular thread periodically and any time that I've seen you here (and had hoped for some conversation), your posts have always been about the same thing -- you don't like it here on the moon because of the lunies here (and I know we've had discussions about this on other places) -- I'm sorry that you still feel this way.
In the past, I've done all I could to explain to you why I continue to come here and why I like it here still -- despite the "newer" attitude here and had really hoped you'd like it -- it would have been nice for you to have been able to know what I'm talking about when I say how it used to be here and I know that it'll never go back to that.
Fortunately and unfortunately, things do change constantly so I think that's why I remain here (other than the obvious reason -- my interest in Peter's work -- one of your requirements that you listed above). As usual, I'm forever hopeful.
I wish you well in the other forums/sections/pages and hope you find it better than here. Please know that you have always fit in here in my book, but I get what you mean because that's how I've been feeling here lately with many of the newer lunatics -- so it's probably just a group dynamic thing that happens with new and old, old and new.
So sorry that we didn't quite meet your needs here, Karen. I wish you well and hope you have a great summer
Well, well, well ..., let us see, where do I begin?
You do not have to explain why you come here, or why you stay .... but you know what Pat, I am calling you out on this, it is a shame that you have written this and I find alot of times that you write things that perhaps you should not have.
You have a tendency to jab at people and then sweeten it up.
~ you have said things publically, that you do not like the roundtable, you do not like the next word thread, people at the Luna page on FB are snobbish and elite .... but yet you go back on what you say and come to the threads. What is up with you?
You have not 'overlooked' this thread so don't even try to say you have or try to convince others, because I know that you and I have had conversations about certain topics and you said you do not like to engage in this thread or that thread ... but yet, after a while you go back on your statements.
My posts have not been about the same thing, SO YOU NEED TO RE-READ ALL OF IT!!!
So, how dare you say that I do not like lunies here. I told you something in confindence and you have betrayed me.
And for the record, there were/are only a few here that I do not engage with .... One is gone, the other is whom I am writing to. There is one or two more, but that is beside the point.
The point is; that I told you something and you have betrayed me. Shame on you.
Get off your high horse Pat and get real.
I left here because of you and the arguments that abound because you seem to feed on them.
Yes, others may argue too, but you are always doing it.
If I see you at JB, rest assured that I will not be able to say hello. I don't feel I want to talk to you again.
So drop it.
If I loose some mutual friends because of this, so be it, but I had to defend myself because YOU ARE WRONG.
and,,,, this comment of yours just blew it out of the park......
'So sorry that we didn't quite meet your needs here, Karen'
You need to rethink yourself and how you come across.
Pat Parker20 July 2012 at 5:52amPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
I realize that after reading your post that you told me to "drop it" and I will. However, I do want to clarify some things that you wrote, not to "argue" with you, but more or less to let you know quite honestly that I am not really sure what you're talking about (and believe me, I'm not trying to play dumb or anything, I really truly, sincerely don't know exactly what you're talking about in some of what you've said). I don't expect you to explain it to me because you've done a perfect job of putting me in my place, telling me off and making it clear to me and every single person who reads this (and you know there will be plenty) that you have "called me out" (your words, not mine) and put me in my place. Good job! Hope it makes you feel wonderful . . . I am incredibly hurt by it all and don't have a problem telling you that -- hope I come across clearly enough on it. But hey, if it makes you feel like a really good person to say things publicly (that go all over the board, mind you), well, I'm glad I could make your day.
But, I really would like to comment on a few things -- my statement about not coming here to this discussion thread was meant in that I do read here, but don't always get into the discussions (never really have) -- I very rarely would participate in them (especially in an ongoing manner like several lunies do) -- I had explained that to you once before. It wasn't meant as a lie or anything, it's just not a thread I participated in all the time. I do feel, however, that many times when I came here (after seeing that you had posted something), it seemed to be the same idea -- that you hadn't been here for awhile and your reason was that you never felt like you were wanted or whatever. Perhaps it was just my timing, but it really was several times that I noticed it. That's why I commented this time because I had just decided (based on the arguments going on in the other thread) that I would try to participate on this thread more actively. It was nothing more than that.
Anyway, my confusion with what you've said here tonight -- a few times, in fact, is that you told me something in confidence and that I have betrayed you -- I am totally blown away by that statement because 1) you have not communicated with me in a long time and the last few communications you've had with me were in private on facebook -- I don't even have any idea as to the last time that you actually "spoke" "chatted" with me (on facebook) in which you weren't criticizing me for something or other. I can't even think of anything that you told me in "confidence" so that statement of me "betraying" you is dead wrong, sorry, sister if you have me confused with someone else. (I would never expect you to explain it to me here on a public forum, but then again, I would never expect you to shout at me so harshly on a public forum. But, truthfully, no need for you to explain to me how I betrayed you. I don't expect there to be any more exchange between us -- it's truly not necessary any more, as you've done a great job of ensuring that there is irrepairable damage done.
Just as you ordered me to re-read threads and comments, I can only ask that you do the same, Karen. I did not say that you did not like lunies here -- I said that I felt badly that you didn't fit in here -- and I told you that I never saw you that way and I don't believe anyone did.
So, there are only two people with whom you don't engage and I'm one of them? Lovely, Karen. Thank you for that stab. I am intelligent enough to understand that you are doing your best to say the meanest, cruelist words you can to hurt me -- and guess what, you have succeeded! Yes, I'm not afraid to tell you honestly how very deeply hurt I am by what you have written above -- on a public forum. Please know that I do not need anyone else here to add to this (and really hope that they do not); I do not need anyone to come to my defense -- I did not do anything to defend and I certainly would hope that no one else here would treat you any differently than before -- after all, I am the only person you are attacking here (and yes, dear, you have attacked me like no other ever has) -- I do not think that it would be fair of anyone else here to need to choose sides -- afterall, we're all adults and entitled to our own opinions. I am okay with everyone/anyone else here and however they treat me from this point forward -- I will still discuss things, argue things, defend myself, explain myself, share myself with any/all people I choose to -- I don't judge people by what others do/say to me and hope no one else does.
So, I don't think you have to worry about losing any friends here Karen. You mention that you left here because of me -- I am really dumbfounded by that because I've always been here, come and go all the time.
Lastly, Karen, I'm sure you know the saying, "It's not what you say, but how you say it" -- well, in this case tonight, as far as your comment is concerned, I'd have to say, it's both -- you've said many things (some of which are not clear to me and I cannot say they are true because I don't understand what you're talking about) and the manner in which you said a few things is truly bothersome to me, but I have recently found (in the very limited correspondence that you have had with me for the past few months) that perhaps it's the way you are used to speaking to others, but for me personally, I do not like when someone makes certain statements. Absolute.facts.simply.because.of.the.way.in.which.they.choose.to.say.them: You say, point blank, "you have betrayed me." (When I have no idea what you're talking about) "Shame on you." (Shame on me??!! Seriously, shame on you for using that tone to me -- I have done nothing to be ashamed of). "Get off your high horse Pat and get real." -- I have never been on a high horse and I'm about as realistic as anyone can get. Anyway, your last sentence is oddly remarkable because I'm thinking the same thing of you . . . perhaps you might not realize how you came across to me here . . . but I'm sure several other people can certainly pick up on both of our exchanges -- you so publicly displayed just how horrible a person I am. Sorry you feel that way.
Lastly, one thing I do want to thank you for is the head's up on Jones Beach and how you will not speak to me. I am glad you let me know ahead of time because I know for a fact that I was hoping to meet up with you at some point.
Karen, whatever you think of me (and heaven knows anyone who can read can figure it out), I need you to know that I have no ill will towards you, never have, and have never, ever done anything to betray you or anything otherwise.
Although I know that you are completely through with me I also need you to know that just as you feel entitled to say and write and shout the things you have about me, be they true or not, you do not have the right or privilege to treat me as if I am a lesser person than you -- I am not. I have never treated you or anyone like that and I have the right to stand up and tell you that what you said and the manner in which you chose to say it is most hurtful to me.
I am incredibly hurt by you, regardless of why you wrote what you wrote. I am not telling you I am hurt because I want any pity or empathy from you or anyone, but just because I need you to know that you are accountable for what you do to others also -- just like me. I am not sorry for anything I have written here tonight, nor am I sorry for what I wrote the other night -- I felt it was fairly clear and not an insult to you in any way.
Kind regards as always,
Pat Parker20 July 2012 at 6:26amPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
For the record, for all of the lunies who choose to read this. Please feel free to carry on your roundtable discussions about the various topics that you discuss. I apologize if this ruined a page or two of it, but rest assured, it was never my intention.
Although I may/may not add any future comments to the discussion or any others on the forum, please know this: I will always continue to come to the forums for my PG information and to chat with other lunies.
Big Time ideas20 July 2012 at 11:43amPosts: 1925 (0 today)Status: offline
Jen- Saw on the news about the bombing and shootings near your area. Hope everything is alright with you.
Clothy- after you wished to send some rain our way we had a brief but lovely downpour the next day. I am giving you credit for this. You are awsome.
I am going to take a wild guess that a few people may have sent positive energy my way when I mentioned my concern about my daughter and her boyfriend. It helped. Thank you. She found out he is a cheat and left him.
As for the atmosphere being different here, and new people changing it, I am afraid I do not know what it was like before. I'm sure I am one of the "new" people who has caused this. I have alot of very serious crap going on in my life due to other peoples substance abuse and needed people to talk to to get my mind off things. This is the only site I felt comfortable, and I feel it is because of our similar thinking, (Peter Gabriel fans are unique).
I don't talk about him all the time. I cannot afford to go to his concerts or buy his CD's, so I really don't have any new info. to share about him, however I still like the people here, so I come back. Sorry if I am one of the people who has "changed the atmosphere".
I have not mentioned much of anything about what has acctually been going on in my life- I didn't want to bring people down and I needed to keep myself up. But I will say that you have helped me to find the courage to start resolving it.
Big Time ideas20 July 2012 at 11:53amPosts: 1925 (0 today)Status: offline
-When I am at my wits end, Wallflower goes through my mind. A year and a half ago I got on the internet to find the song, and listen to his other music. I ended up getting led here to the Moon.
No one in my family or friends was at the movie theater but one of my brother's co-workers had a niece there and we haven't heard yet if she is one of the victims - God I hope not.
This is a very sad day, it brings back memories of Columbine (at least for me)
Biggie - I don't think that any of the stuff mentioned here has anything to do with you, you are a sweet person and if I were able you and I would be going to at least one of the SO shows together
I am going to abide by Pat's wishes about commenting on what happened here but I do want to say that I am fond of both of you and I am sad that your friendship has seemed to come to an end
Pat Parker21 July 2012 at 5:38amPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Thank you, Jen for your support -- I do appreciate it. (Also, I'm hope that all is well with the folks in Colorado -- so very sad and pitiful isn't it -- all around ugly). I'll keep everyone in my thoughts and prayers.
For BTI-- I know for a fact that the above post has nothing to do with you and I hope you know that although I don't participate here on this particular thread all that much, it had been my intention to become more active just so I could learn more about you and other "newer" (although no one is really very "new" here). I honestly now think that based on the very few times that I've been here, and the reistance that I have felt -- not from you -- that I probably should just continue to read here and not write here. I'm especially sorry for the manner in which this thread went spriraling downward and I can only apologize for any part I played in it. Contrary to what anyone thinks or writes here, I do not come here looking for arguments; however, I do have discussions and defend myself if necessary, but even with the worst of threads, in the beginning I might get caught up in them, but I soon leave (knowing that it'll die down and there will be another time when it happens again). There have been no arguments here on the moon at all recently that I can see, but I cannot change another person's opinions -- it is what it is.
Last night it was very late when I read the rant from Karen and it was extremely upsetting -- not because it was someone shouting, yelling, publicly trying to humiliate me -- that's happened here before, off and on again since the beginning -- not with just me as recipient and certainly not with me as the offender. I can handle the mean, rude remarks of many and it's okay because they mean nothing to me -- neither the person nor the words, but Karen's struck me to the core on the very place that she knows and everyone else here knows is my favorite place to come to learn about PG. Not only were her words hurtful (anyone who can read would be able to clearly understand that) to me, but they were low blows, below the belt statements, accusing me of betraying her (which I still have not figured out what she means) and then used mean, spiteful, hateful statements toward me -- considering me as one of the only two people with whom she doesn't exchange any words with. Because Karen was a trusted friend, everything she said had much more meaning to me (in the most hurtful manner) and for her to have placed it here on the moon -- the place I love so well -- is just downright low.
Last night, I gave a response based on how I immediately felt. There is soooo much more that I would and could write about, but I do not really want to go there. What was so hurtful to me last night, has already gone. I went back to facebook to send Karen a message and found that she had timed all of this so perfectly -- she knew I was online (and at that time I was still her "friend"), she posted her statement here and after I had read it, I went back to facebook and she had de-friended me and blocked me from sending her any messages. Although I do think my last message that I sent her got through before she finalized it all -- I simply wrote that I never knew she felt so much hatred and anger towards me -- and that is the honest truth folks. [The absolute only reason I post this here is because I have no other way to respond and I think that at the very least, I have every single right to stand up against such a rant and rave.]
I have read and re-read Karen's shout out to me several times -- trying to decipher it so it makes some sense. From what I can tell, there are no arguments going on here at the moment, so I'm not sure what that's about, but the more confusing part is that I betrayed her in some way, shape or form. I, for the life of me, cannot figure it out. So, I went to facebook (which is the only place where there has been any (very ittle) communication to see if I had "missed" something somewhere along the line. The last month's communications have been nothing but argumentative with me (almost like the post here, but not nearly as bad -- I think the audience always helps the show go over much better). So, just for the record, to satisfy anyone's curiosity -- I haven't a clue as to why Karen is so very upset with me to the point of being mean, spiteful and hateful toward me. If there is anyone out there who might have a clue, then perhaps you could fill me in, but honestly, there's no need to -- it's all done here now (even though I'm breaking Karen's golden rule -- she must always have the last word, even if they're mean, spiteful words). Unfortunately, I've never taken kindly to anyone dictating to me how to behave and I just tend to want to defend myself and my character.
But all in all, as much as I have no idea what went wrong or where (because according to Karen, it's apparently been for a long time -- very confusing to think that I have been being used for the past few months/year?), there are some very important points that I want to make before I've put this to bed.
1) Karen, you mention old history (LUNA page -- really?) when you know that it is exactly that -- history. As you said, I publicly said what I thought about it because there was a time when it was exactly that -- however, a few of us had resolved any problems or misconceptions and I joined the group -- so sorry that you can't seem to understand that some things do move on and get resolved.
2) It's confusing to me what you mean about the next word game???? I participate in the game periodically -- and yes I've mentioned it in discussions with others when giving them a suggestion -- I am not the person who has a problem with that thread -- why would I participate in it at all? I do notice that you don't participate in it -- and that's cool, your prerogative, but don't assume I like or don't like the same exact things as you.
3) Karen, for you to make statements that you outright know will be mean and spiteful and hurtful is inexcusable to me -- absolutely inexcusable. You obviously have a lot of anger -- and if it's meant for me, then I better at least know that I'm worthy of it -- I have done nothing at all for you to treat me the way you have (I'm not saying this in a pitiful, sorry voice, just so you know -- I'm stating a fact to you -- no one has the right or privilege to treat anyone as a lesser person -- and that is what you have attempted to do with me -- publicly.). I am extremely sorry that you felt it necessary to do this to me or anyone, for that matter -- but mostly to me. I.do.not.give.you.permission.to.treat.me.this.way. Hope that's clear enough for you.
4) Your warning to me about NY (and how you will not speak to me) is appreciated, but please do not think that I will not still enjoy myself at the show -- afterall, I'm there to see PG first and foremost -- anything after that is secondary. If I choose to join in with other lunatics and you are there, I do not have a problem with it -- you own what you own and I own what I own. I do not have any hard feelings toward you at all -- and nothing you can shout, scream, yell at me can change that. It's just the way it is.
5) The statement in which you compared me to another person with whom you loathe, despise, ignore is just another example of how mean, spiteful and hateful you are toward me. It's below the belt and you know that it is -- what a shame that you feel so insecure in yourself that you needed to try to look "larger than life" by trying to put me down -- as you can see, I'm still standing. Sorry to disappoint you.
6) Lastly, the very worst thing that you could have done (and planned to do with full intentions of causing me grief) is to have publicly screamed and shouted and ranted and raved at me on here -- the moon. You absolutely know full well that this is my sacred place -- the place I love to come to and have always been. So, now it's my turn to use a phrase you seem to love so well -- it's a bit condescending for me, but I really do feel it's appropriate here -- How dare you attack me here!!!!!!!!! How dare you assume that you can come here and cause me such grief -- in the place I care for the most!!!!! How dare you even ever have called yourself my friend -- you have struck below the belt more than once with your rant and rave but to have done it all on this place, knowing how much it means to me -- I'm so very sorry that you even had to know me for the limited time you did -- you obviously did not ever know me at all and I unfortunately and sadly never knew you at all. What a shame. What a damn, crying shame!
For Jen -- thanks once again for abiding by my wishes for no one to comment or get involved -- this whole thing was unnecessary and confusing -- but eye-opening at the same time -- so, I guess every cloud has a silver lining. Yesterday, I also was sad that Karen's and my friendship came to an end in such a way, but today, I'm just sad that it was never a friendship at all -- just a false alarm -- I really must learn from this, I'm sure.
Well, I'm all done and sorry for the public display but it certainly isn't the whole picture (even now) and was definitely not my choice. Life is so very fragile, indeed, and it's true that we don't always know what's going on in a person's mind/life.
I wish you well Karen and hope that your release of anger and hatred helps you in some way -- at least it'll have been worth it all in the end. Meanwhile, have a great rest of the summer, enjoy the fall and whatever shows you get to see (not just PG) and have a great life overall.
Kind regards to all,
Zenrider21 July 2012 at 3:18pmPosts: 3560 (0 today)Status: offline
Pretty much all this tells me is we really need PM's back.
Anyway, hope everyone has a great weekend in the anyway.
Some green tea for those just getting up and a Shocky for everyone else.
Going for a bicycle ride to start my vacation. From there, I'm just winging it.
Pat Parker21 July 2012 at 3:23pmPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
For BTI -- I wanted to acknowledge what you said regarding this roundtable discussion and your own personal stories -- Thank you for sharing your stories here and I'm glad to know that things are looking better for your family. I don't know much about you, your family or circumstances and the few times that I would peek in here, I didn't see the whole picture, I'm sure, so I hope that whatever your circumstances are work out positively.
I agree with you about our sharing some PG and also spending time just sharing life in general -- it's a great place to do this and it's why I have always enjoyed coming here to the moon.
I noted your comment above:
-When I am at my wits end, Wallflower goes through my mind. A year and a half ago I got on the internet to find the song, and listen to his other music. I ended up getting led here to the Moon.
Well, as you may already know from reading any past posts from me --Wallflower is my absolute all-time favorite PG song -- to this very day, it remains in the #1 spot. I don't really have any real rhyme or reason as to why it always struck such a chord with me, but it just has. From the first time I heard it, I find it to be the most soulful song and each time I hear it, it carries the same feeling as the first time -- that's significant to me.
I am so glad that your hearing Wallflower brought you here! And I'm glad to see you here.
Zenrider21 July 2012 at 3:33pmPosts: 3560 (0 today)Status: offline
Pat Parker21 July 2012 at 8:44pmPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Thanks, Zen -- for the reminder about PMs and for the song.
I do agree with you on the PMs, but really have a feeling that PMs were actually part of a very big problem here -- I never gave it any thought before and that is because I didn't really use many PMs, quite honestly. I really do say most things out loud and perhaps not quite the correct way, but it's the way in which I usually operate. I did use the PMs however at times when there would be some heavy duty flaming wars going on here (and believe me, there used to be plenty, between plenty of lunies) -- and sometimes things would actually get resolved via PMs, so I used to think of them as a good thing (and still really do).
Recently, in some communication with various lunies on facebook, I had begun to notice that things that are said publicly are not the same things that are said privately (in messaging). In that, I mean that there is a nice "facade" while on a public wall, for instance and people behave "nicely" toward each other, but meanwhile, there might be a whole lot of other communication going on in the private messaging world -- this is not meant to say that it's good/bad, but it is only recently within the past few months that I began to think about it all.
So, yeah, I'm all for PMs and really wish we had them here -- especially if I would like to ask or give personal info with another lunie -- not everyone is on facebook and not everyone on facebook comes here.
In the end, it's all good I suppose. If facebook went away tomorrow, I'd not be worried by it -- who knows, perhaps some of the long lost friends I have found on facebook might actually be able to keep in touch the good old-fashioned way -- writing or calling or visiting when/if possible. That would be sweet.
Kind regards and enjoy the rest of the day here. I'm off now to do some household chores -- now THAT's something that I wish could be done via the internet!
Big Time ideas23 July 2012 at 11:40amPosts: 1925 (0 today)Status: offline
Thanks for your kind wishes, Pat.
Big Time ideas23 July 2012 at 11:49amPosts: 1925 (0 today)Status: offline
Pat- as for Wallflower, the song has calmed me and helped me to stay positive many times since it came out when I was 18. I can seriously say that I thank God that Peter wrote that song.
Big Time ideas23 July 2012 at 12:10pmPosts: 1925 (0 today)Status: offline
And thank you, too, Jen.
I would love to go to a concert with you. You never know--
Zenrider24 July 2012 at 4:58amPosts: 3560 (0 today)Status: offline
Can I bring some wine and whinge?
Should be on vacation and heading out west. Instead I'm trying to figure out and fix the stalling issue with my truck. Everything I've replaced so far has increased my fuel economy enough that I know they needed to be replaced. At the least, didn't hurt to replace them. Mostly valves and switches. One part that should have probably been replaced when I got the truck, but hey none of the diesel guys I've taken it to ever said anything about it. >
Anyway, much as I should do things around the house, I really wanted to visit a friend, get out to Yellowstone, and visit a cousin on the way back. BTW, Yellowstone is going to have beautiful weather at least for the next several days, and here I am trying to figure out my truck.
Anyway, tomorrow morning I'm putting a lift pump on it and see how it goes. A lot of places say it may be a PMD issue (Pump Mounted Driver), but mine is too new (much as some profess how often they fail) and one of the better ones to be having an issue already. Plus one of the indicators of that failure went away with the PCV I replaced. So here's hoping it's the lift pump. Going to replace the fuel filter as well and worry about the sock in the tank later. Probably let someone else do that one. This is just not the way I had hoped to start my vacation.
Did I mention it's hot as hell here and much as we need rain it's predicted pretty much for the rest of the week on top of 90*F weather. Which is why I did cut down the trees and weeds in my yard today. That is, mowed what should be a lawn.
Half tempted to stock up on wine and do nothing for two weeks. I haven't even been able to do much with the horses the last few days, largely because of the truck issues. Ugh. Or is that Arrrrrrgggggg!
Alright, enough whinging, now for some wine.
Pat Parker26 July 2012 at 11:28amPosts: 2683 (0 today)Status: offline
Been meaning to get on here all week, but still getting used to my new work schedule -- it's a regular gig Monday through Friday, normal hours (although I go in a bit early so I can leave at a nice time of the day and by Friday, I usually have a bit of time earned and can sometimes leave earlier).
I had worked weekend, night shifts for 10 years -- was so used to it and it'll take me some time to re-adjust. However, I've already noticed how much more "awake, alert and alive" I feel by being awake during the days. It's very nice to have weekends off, although I do admit, I've spent them trying to get things done that I used to do during the weekdays (and the weeknights, I don't feel like doing them).
Here's a strange coincidence (one which I'm quite happy about) -- I'll be attending a few PG shows this time 'round -- 3 of them. Had I still been working the weekends, I'd have had a helluva time getting the time off (and basically would have had to request it back in April without knowing for sure if I'd get the time off (all the while knowing I would be taking it off anyway ).
So, strangely enough, my new job happens to work out for me quite well (not just on the PG end of things either!). I'm attending shows that are on weekends YAY! I will take off the Fri and/or Mon around the weekends, but it's all cool with my new employer. I'm so happy to know that I didn't have to forfeit anything much to make the shows.
As for you, Zen and your trip to Yellowstone -- that is definitely something I have on my bucket list -- what a lovely trip that would be. Good luck with your truck -- more power to you to be able to do the repairs yourself -- all I know about autos is how to put the key in the ignition, start and drive! (I try not to say that loudly to mechanics though! )
BTI- I will need to have a listen to Wallflower and each time I do, I'll now be able to think of you too -- good vibes from that song, for sure!
Okay, all, have a great day. I can only offer a nice cup of coffee -- Dunkin' Donuts -- half n half -- it's my favorite coffee but I don't mind sharing!
Zenrider27 July 2012 at 6:31amPosts: 3560 (0 today)Status: offline
Thanks Pat. There are somethings I can do and many things I'll let a mechanic do. Unfortunately, unless I have miracle tomorrow, my window of opportunity to go on that trip has pretty much died. Truck still not right, thought the EGR/Baro sensor had done the trick. Drove it everywhere yesterday no problems, so was thinking there may be time to salvage that trip. Yup, stalled today. Sigh. So, it probably is the PMD, which I should have probably ordered in the first place, but giving that was replaced about a year an a half ago as part of an injector pump I had put on the truck, I guess I was denial.... Even if I order it now, the earliest I could hope to have it is Tuesday next week. I almost ordered it Wednesday, but the truck was running pretty strong so didn't seem necessary. The worst thing about the PMD/FSD is that the only way to see if that is the problem is to replace it. There are no tests. The other bad thing is they aren't cheap and you don't want to order one if you don't have to. At is, even if I paid a fortune and had it shipped next day air it wouldn't come until Monday anyway and isn't cost effective. Just not enough time to drive out. My only hope is it's still under warranty at the dealership and they have the part and can replace tomorrow. Yeah, not getting my hopes up on that one either. You know how dealerships like to make you wait for things. So it will have to be another year again. Though I have been tempted to go and see how far I can get.
Am hoping I might still be able to get up and visit my Cousin in Minnesota and have something of a trip. Get tired of looking at that camper in the driveway not going anywhere.
Zenrider28 July 2012 at 5:50amPosts: 3560 (0 today)Status: offline
Not going to make it west, did put a remote mounted PMD and may no longer be stalling, but there is something not quite right. Have a feeling what some of the issue is, but what can you do? Like I may or may not have said, it's amazing how much money people cost me trying to save me money. So, the Yellowstone trip is cancelled, truck is going back to the shop, I've nickle and dimed myself enough guessing. Good thing I can ride the motorcycle back. This engine can go a long way if you can avoid putting a rod through the engine block. If you do that, it gets a whole lot more expensive. Either way, don't know if I should continue down this path, but here I am. Might still be able to make a short trip somewhere, but the big trip is off. Sigh. Hopefully I can get some summer weeks off again next year.