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Zenrider 9 January 2011 at 3:42pm Posts: 3560 (0 today) Status: offline
I'm sure everyone is aware of the insanity that happened in Arizona yesterday. Is this what America wants to become? Probably going to be front page here for a while. http://www.cnn.com/ http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1 http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.judge.obit/index.html I really hate to give this BS organization any publicity, but big surprise they want to stick their unholy ugly noses into this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/westboro-baptist-church-arizona_n_806319.html Best wishes and thoughts to all involved, whether directly or indirectly.
Piperbones Jones 9 January 2011 at 4:13pm Posts: 1571 (0 today) Status: offline
Insanity is right. Words carry consequences. Rhetoric preaching hate, division, and fear in the name of religion / freedom is a direct cause of the consequence we are living with now. A 9 year old child is one of the innocent victims in this mindlessness. . .sadly, the voices of sanity are being drowned out by people who are profiting by the complete dummying down of our society. One look over the comments made by some of these people who apparently still don't see the problem. =
Mr_Clueless 9 January 2011 at 4:42pm Posts: 2013 (0 today) Status: offline
It's scary how what was supposed to bring us ease and union in fact just serves to separate and cause suffering. "Religion is definitely one of the worst things ever happened to mankind" as the immortal George Carlin would say. And I fear he was right. . .
Zenrider 9 January 2011 at 5:10pm Posts: 3560 (0 today) Status: offline
The comments show much of the problem. If I anywhere near Arizona, I'd join the Patriot Guard Riders. They are a nation wide motorcycle group that does a good job of peacefully blocking that Kansas hate group at funerals and such. The stand in front of them with flags and just plain ignore them. To do anything else, gives this church of hate what they want. They survive on lawsuits, so they are best ignored.
Piperbones Jones 9 January 2011 at 5:15pm Posts: 1571 (0 today) Status: offline
Religion has been perverted. I think Jesus and George would have enjoyed some cups o wine together and been shaking their heads over what has become of the message. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIbwtzw8A7A&feature=related
Mr_Clueless 9 January 2011 at 6:24pm Posts: 2013 (0 today) Status: offline
And Ian Anderson. . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrId8xH2gh8
Zenrider 9 January 2011 at 6:29pm Posts: 3560 (0 today) Status: offline
Religion has in some ways always been what it is. One of his classmates described him as a liberal who hated religion. I think we will find he was not a liberal, but an anarchist. Two terms frequently mistaken as the same. They are not. Liberals, as far as my experience, question religion, but don't necessarily hate it. Anarchists tend to hate religion, because religion seeks to control. Anarchists are against any kind of control. The tea baggers, despite their insisting they are religiously right somehow, have more in common with the anarchists then anything related to conservative. We are living in very confused political times, to what end? I am not sure. It does mean, a lot of this may very well be be twisted by people with their own agendas (some saving their own butts for the hateful violent rhetoric they enjoy spewing) leaving the facts on the side of the road. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I we have been here before and will be here again. We are creatures of habit that have a hard time changing our patterns. Especially, it seems, the self destructive ones.
Progressive jen 10 January 2011 at 2:24am Posts: 5474 (0 today) Status: offline
That so called "christian" group showed up at the memorial for the Columbine students years ago, we just ignored them. I'm not sure what I believe most of the time when it comes to God but I dare say if Jesus really exists he would be disgusted by this group.
Piperbones Jones 10 January 2011 at 12:19pm Posts: 1571 (0 today) Status: offline
Yikes !!! Not hard to see the dark side of it here. . . THE JESUS CAMP. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/jesus-camp/
Zenrider 11 January 2011 at 4:41am Posts: 3560 (0 today) Status: offline
Piperbones, never got the speaking in gibberish stuff and thinking somehow it's coming from a higher source. After all, if it's all knowing, wouldn't it speak to you in a language you could understand? Anyway, things keep looking hopeful for the congresswoman Gabby, and so far no others have died either. Crazy stuff from a nation that should be evolving. The letter found in the safe will likely explain more of the suspects delusions and such, but I'm thinking it may not be released until during or perhaps even after the trial. Some of the spin masters (mostly AM radio) that are jumping on comments made by ex high school students that knew him, best be careful before it comes back to haunt them. Let's just hope this does not happen again anytime soon.
Piperbones Jones 11 January 2011 at 1:55pm Posts: 1571 (0 today) Status: offline
One of the assassin's friends claims that the man kept a 'dream journal' - and that all of the answers and evidence the investigators will need are there. I find this interesting from a psychological point of view. Sadly, it won't help the victims much.

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