Little rainbow13 March 2012 at 10:34amPosts: 3954 (1 today)Status: offline
I have to thank Jen for that serie of books for the reason why I began to be interested in that reading was the thread about IQ.
followed a dicussion about the subject with my own son, about wether or not he though IQ was a valid measure about one's intelligence. As he reminded me he had been measured a consequent high one (what I didn't take into account till he reminded me) and as he was going through a difficult period in terms of growing up, I began to look for some books to read about the subject.
During the talk, I only answered with humor that being granted a high IQ "would be a disease one could cure", explaining him that in my point of view it may often be a handicap, rather than odds.
I discovered a first French book : difference and pain of the gifted adult. C Bost
that I red with great emotion, for, for the first time, someone seemed to write something that was speaking of me more than ever.
Understand me on that point, gifted or not gifted is not the question, and happily since then someone wrote that any individual could eventualy undergo the same evolution (not welcomed in writting that of course).
What astonished me was the discovery of Dabrowsky theory of positive desintegration, not dedicated to gifted but to anyone eventualy.
What is particularly interesting is the new basis in which he settles the possible devlopment of intelligence : not intellectual capacities at all, but sensitivity
That's a little revolution in this field. a great amount of sensitivness would oblige a child and later on an adult to process informations he feels more than others.
the second point is that he describes such sensitive personalities as undergoing period of "growh" during which the self "desintegrates" in order to be reorganised at higher level.
If not understood from a dynamic point of view some diagnosis such as ADHD, depression and even psychonevrosis hyperkinesthesy and many other diagnosis can appear to be misdiagnosis, for once undergoing that period of growth, things return to "normal".
second little revolution.
such period can let appear symptoms such as maniaco depression for instance, being only transitory.
What interested me was the wy it underlines some personal growth evolution, such as the one has known Jung for example, and goes in the very same way that most of Dolto 's views about children.
I begin to read into English, in order to understand it more fully, for most books are now published in the states and Dabrowsky 's work (no longer published in France for example, although he had died in 1980) known due to the fact that many books about gifted children are relying on his work.
I'm actually reading that one
Living With Intensity: Understanding the Sensitivity, Excitability, and the Emotional Development of Gifted Children, Adolescents, and Adults [Broché]
Susan Daniels (Sous la direction de), Michael, PH.D. Piechowski
which is a good introduction to Dabrowsky 's views.
another recent one
with a more precise comment than the one I ought to write.
Little rainbow13 March 2012 at 3:22pmPosts: 3954 (1 today)Status: offline
Just to settle why I have decided to share that finding, it is mainly because what Dabowsky describes as the fifth level of evolution made me tough about something heard in PG's mouth (can't remember what was the precise interview if anyone can it would be great)
what he said was more or less : we as individual are social persons. at some point "US" can be described as vey reduced, a very close circle, family members for exemple. The larger the "US" became, the best it is.
that's psitively the steps of evolution described by Dabrowsky.
the second point is that very often here I did red comments about one's strong emotivity, and as a consequence it appears logical to be gathered around someone highly sensible, in which we recognized our own level of sensitivity.
Among the things told about PG, bipolarity is something often evoked, even if Raven wrote it was part of the "legend" about the man. At least PG never hide great period of "low"mood (call it as you want).
Bipolarity is one of the possible misdiagnosis underlined by Dabrowsky.
What is quite new and bringing hopes for the many ones undergoing such a period is that a better understanding of the reason why they are suffering can help them cross that path positively, and no longer as if the world around them was just crumbling.
The only thing that finaly prevails in such time is to know that pain has a meaning, and an end.
In between, "emotional tools" are welcomed ! (PG)
here is the link to wiki dealing with Dabrowsky.
Little rainbow13 March 2012 at 10:18pmPosts: 3954 (1 today)Status: offline
Nemesis_4713 March 2012 at 11:11pmPosts: 989 (0 today)Status: offline
The Wolf Gift by Anne Rice
A daring new departure from the inspired creator of The Vampire Chronicles (“unrelentingly erotic . . . unforgettable”—The Washington Post), Lives of the Mayfair Witches (“Anne Rice will live on through the ages of literature”—San Francisco Chronicle), and the angels of The Songs of the Seraphim (“remarkable”—Associated Press).
A whole new world—modern, sleek, high-tech—and at its center, a story as old and compelling as history: the making of a werewolf, reimagined and reinvented as only Anne Rice, teller of mesmerizing tales, conjurer extraordinaire of other realms, could create.
The time is the present.
The place, the rugged coast of Northern California. A bluff high above the Pacific. A grand mansion full of beauty and tantalizing history set against a towering redwood forest.
A young reporter on assignment from the San Francisco Observer . . . An older woman welcoming him into her magnificent family home that he has been sent to write about and that she must sell with some urgency . . .
A chance encounter between two unlikely people . . . An idyllic night—shattered by horrific unimaginable violence, the young man inexplicably attacked—bitten—by a beast he cannot see in the rural darkness . . .
A violent episode that sets in motion a terrifying yet seductive transformation, as the young man, caught between ecstasy and horror, between embracing who he is evolving into and fearing what he will become, soon experiences the thrill of the wolf gift.
As he resists the paradoxical pleasure and enthrallment of his wolfen savagery and delights in the power and (surprising) capacity for good, he is caught up in a strange and dangerous rescue and is desperately hunted as “the Man Wolf” by authorities, the media, and scientists (evidence of DNA threatens to reveal his dual existence) . . .
As a new and profound love enfolds him, questions emerge that propel him deeper into his mysterious new world: questions of why and how he has been given this gift; of its true nature and the curious but satisfying pull towards goodness; of the profound realization that there may be others like him who are watching—guardian creatures who have existed throughout time who possess ancient secrets and alchemical knowledge.
And throughout it all, the search for salvation for a soul tormented by a new realm of temptations, and the fraught, exhilarating journey, still to come, of being and becoming, fully, both wolf and man
Ela14 March 2012 at 12:11pmPosts: 1334 (0 today)Status: offline
I'm reading A Moveable Feast by Ernest Hemingway. It's our book club pick of the month. I'm enjoying it so far.
Zenrider15 March 2012 at 4:24amPosts: 3547 (0 today)Status: offline
While on vacation read Riding Lessons written by Sara Gruen. Not bad, as a horse person had to roll my eyes a few times, but over all not a bad read.
rise15 March 2012 at 8:31pmPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
I try to read Bleak House by Charles Dickens and also try to read it all or through it away before the year is over. 1112 pages!! But in german!
Duddy15 March 2012 at 10:20pmPosts: 5641 (0 today)Status: offline
The Stars my Destination - Alfred Bester. Wonderful SF novel, imaginative and very moral tale.
Nemesis_4716 March 2012 at 6:10pmPosts: 989 (0 today)Status: offline
The Book of the Law: Liber Al Vel Legis
by Aleister Crowley and Rose Edith Crowley
Little rainbow16 March 2012 at 9:47pmPosts: 3954 (1 today)Status: offline
The epic of Gilgamesh - Fun !
Ellee12 April 2012 at 2:52pmPosts: 1016 (0 today)Status: offline
The 100-Year-Old Man Who Climbed Out the Window and Disappeared by Swedish author Jonas Jonasson
I read this book in German, it is a Bestseller here.
It all starts on the one-hundredth birthday of Allan Karlsson. Sitting quietly in his room in an old people's home, he is waiting for the party he doesn't want. So Allan climbs out of his bedroom window and makes his getaway. And so begins his picaresque and unlikely journey involving criminals, several murders, a suitcase full of cash, and incompetent police. As his escapades unfold, we learn something of Allan's earlier life - he helped to make the atom bomb, became friends with American presidents, Russian tyrants, and Chinese leaders - It's a Forest Gump like story and a real feel-good- book, not only for people whose father turns one hundred these days
Duddy20 April 2012 at 8:46pmPosts: 5641 (0 today)Status: offline
I like the sound of that Ellee.
Why be Happy When you can be normal? By Jeanette Winterson(she wrote Oranges are not the only fruit). Feel I have a bruised heart just reading it but it is brave and honest - oh and funny too.
Plus still making my way through Dazzling Stranger - Biography of Bert Jansch and in context of the Folk and Blues revival in UK in 50's/60's.
The Stars My Destination is sci-fi at it's finest. I tried an Alan Dean Foster, The Light Years Beneath My Feet, a few days ago but had to give up after 3 pages.
I just finished Sting's "Broken Music." He's a better writer than a singer. Recommended reading!
I'm now reading "Star Trek and Philosophy: The Wrath of Kant" (2008.)
Padowan24 April 2012 at 4:09amPosts: 512 (0 today)Status: offline
I thought Alan Dean Foster's treatment of "Splinter of The Mind's Eye", would have been the best sequel to "Star Wars" (IV A New Hope) imaginable...in my opinion.
Alas, no one knew, that Luke and Leia could NEVER have a intimate relationship...
evoulini24 April 2012 at 9:06pmPosts: 1750 (0 today)Status: offline
Duddy25 April 2012 at 3:01pmPosts: 5641 (0 today)Status: offline
Ditto Eva! Good to see you here
clothy25 April 2012 at 9:35pmPosts: 2482 (0 today)Status: offline
Working my way through the Jack Reacher books by Lee Child
Little rainbow30 April 2012 at 8:01amPosts: 3954 (1 today)Status: offline
very ood one
Rosa candida - Audur Ava Olaffsdottir
Little rainbow26 August 2012 at 8:09amPosts: 3954 (1 today)Status: offline
Paule Salomon la sainte folie du couple - poche
Don't know if an english translation has been made, but I did find an italian one on A.....e.
For those who like me, consider that the most incredible human adventure passes through relationships within a couple.
A real source of reflexion and a wonderful explanation about the real nature of what is a couple and whow it can possibly evolves in time (7 steps)
Written by a philosopher, psychologist trained in US (Junguian in many aspects) but not that only. A very original point of view.
A book not so easy to read but full of wiseness.
It encompasses many ideas we can find in PG lyrics ...... so, interesting reading for a PG fan.
It can be useful as well for those who lives there celibacy as a non choice, giving them a chance in understanding better whow to come out from it.
A guideline for those having troubles going on there way.
A women thinking, and for me a fascinating reading.
Here is the link to her website
and her first website page translated