cebs16 August 2012 at 4:44pmPosts: 141 (0 today)Status: offline
Some good points on there.
Is there a list any where of re-mixes/12" that people wanted for this release, my single collection starts at steam so I don't have many from this period.
I would have liked a 5.1 version of the album either audio on a dvd or download files. I think some hi-rez versions would have been welcome as they are become more popular and could also have been 5.1 flac files. I think some of these were in the scratch box set but I cannot remember for sure,
Peter has always seemed to release cutting edge stuff like PLAY dvd being one of the first in DTS 96/24 but this release seems a bit old school.
cebs16 August 2012 at 4:51pmPosts: 141 (0 today)Status: offline
I looked a bit further down that other thread and found the following list :
Missing in Action…!?
Remastered “So” Single Versions, 12” Versions, B-sides and rarities
1. Sledgehammer (7” Version) – 4:49
2. Don’t Break This Rhythm – 3:50
3. Sledgehammer (Extended Mix) – 5:40
4. I Have The Touch (‘85 Remix) – 3:43
5. Sledgehammer (Extended Dance Remix) – 7:20
6. Don’t Give Up (Edit 2) – 5:55
7. Curtains – 3:28
8. In Your Eyes (Single Version) – 4:53
9. No Self Control – 3:54
10. In Your Eyes (Special Mix) – 7:15
11. Across The River – 7:12
12. In Your Eyes (12” Special Mix) – 8:55
13. GaGa (I Go Swimming Instrumental) – 4:35
14. Biko (edit 2) – 6:55
15. No More Apartheid – 7:07
Lastly, how about throwing all of the ‘So’ videos onto one of the DVDs as they should have a home on this collection.
The “So” Videos
1. “Sledgehammer” (Directed by Stephen R. Johnson)
2. “Mercy Street” (Directed by Matt Mahurin)
3. “Don’t Give Up” (version 1) (Directed by Lol Creme, Kevin Godley)
4. “Don’t Give Up” (version 2) (Directed by Jim Blashfield)
5. “In Your Eyes” (Directed by Graham Dean, Peter Gabriel)
6. “Red Rain” (Directed by Matt Mahurin)
7. “Big Time” (Directed by Stephen R. Johnson)
8. “Biko” (Directed by Lol Creme)
I'll have to search through my stuff to see what i have/don't have but I can remember that only one version of Don't Give Up is on the PLAY dvd but my old vhs has both so it would have been to get it at last.
Don't want to moan in every post but it was a long wait for this..
Alex S17 August 2012 at 10:34amPosts: 259 (0 today)Status: offline
I'm actually glad that the promo videos are NOT included - the place for these was the Play DVD, and still is.
Although I don't care for remixes, but the first 15 tracks you list are certainly enough for a single CD of associated material - all the stuff which hasn't generally been (officially) available on CD since the time of release.
I really wonder why something as simple as this has been totally overlooked.
Mozo is Rael17 August 2012 at 2:13pmPosts: 252 (0 today)Status: offline
please excuse me if you already know this. the sledgehammer CD single is somewhat difficult to find and often comes at a premium price. i recommend the UK "mail on sunday" promo in the cardboard sleeve for the following tracks:
don't break this rhythm
i have the touch (robbie robertson remix from "phenomenon" sountrack)
in your eyes (live at athens)
this CD tends to be readily available on ebay at a reasonable price. besides, i like the cover
atlantasteve17 August 2012 at 2:50pmPosts: 1 (0 today)Status: offline
I submitted a photo a story when the site was collecting them for this box set. I was wondering how I could find out if my submission made the final cut (without first buying the box set?)
Jonny7517 August 2012 at 4:16pmPosts: 55 (0 today)Status: offline
@AlexS It was an opportunity to have them on Blu Ray...
cebs17 August 2012 at 5:19pmPosts: 141 (0 today)Status: offline
Thanks Mozo, that cd is nice and cheap anyway and like you I like the cover image.
I think if the dvds were upgraded to Blu-ray , people would have liked it.
Also at some point i need to get rid of my vhs and laserdisc player but until I can get the stuff on a newer format they have to stay in the rack.
I know you can never please all the people all the time but this time ....
Alex S17 August 2012 at 7:21pmPosts: 259 (0 today)Status: offline
Mr Beef17 August 2012 at 7:43pmPosts: 761 (0 today)Status: offline
. . . I think that review/autopsy says it all - this really is the most useless, over-priced, ill-conceived piece of re-release crap that has ever been produced by such a great artist. PG might as well turn to selling tinned spaghetti.
Alex S17 August 2012 at 7:55pmPosts: 259 (0 today)Status: offline
LOL!! Would it take 10 years to cook??
Alex S17 August 2012 at 7:56pmPosts: 259 (0 today)Status: offline
Cebs - just thought: Laurie Anderson's (slightly more uptempo) single version of "Excellent Birds" would have been another good one to have on that list of associated tracks.
There's also the Joni Mitchell duet, "My Secret Places" or something, though that may be going off the mark a bit!
Alex S18 August 2012 at 11:33amPosts: 259 (0 today)Status: offline
I think the biggest mistake is the content of the 3-disc version. That's the edition which is affordable to everyone, yet it doesn't offer what we expected or hoped for.
OK, so we're not getting any b-sides. But imagine if the 3-disc version had been the album, Athens DVD and Evolution CD. Maybe for a slightly higher price - along with the nice packaging and photo prints, I think that would have been excellent.
Saving the live album, vinyl and book as the exclusives for the box set. That would have been a much fairer balance of content.
Jonny7518 August 2012 at 10:06pmPosts: 55 (0 today)Status: offline
Mozo is Rael19 August 2012 at 11:28pmPosts: 252 (0 today)Status: offline
@ alex: i agree that revamping the 3-disc set as you proposed is probably the best way out of this mess. here is one of my favorites done right:
notice the 5-star rating based on 500 reviews. if PG's releases are left to stand, i predict very poor ratings and harsh comments with some employing "class warfare" rhetoric.
unfortunately, perception is reality in the business world. with the blog, PG is now the face of the "rip-off" artist. the audiophile vinyl will likely come off as elitist leaving out the "have not" fans.
Alex S19 August 2012 at 11:40pmPosts: 259 (0 today)Status: offline
I've always had the utmost respect for Peter - still do - and for the last 20 years, have bought every new release; album, single, DVD, CD-Rom, books etc, at the first instance.
I think it's unfair for the blog writers to brand PG a "rip-off" artist. Up until recently (taking the vastly overpriced/unaffordable album art prints as an example), he's always given good value for money.
This is another reason why the whole thing is so surprising, and as I've pointed out, we're yet to know exactly how much involvement or say PG has had in the content.
The typically expensive "super deluxe" box set is the latest craze in the music industry when it comes to CDs; new albums or classic reissues, along with the über-expensive concert VIP packages. It's been a shame to see PG get hooked by the trappings of both.
The New Blood deluxe set looked like excellent value for money but I didn't buy it because I wasn't so bothered about it; opting instead for the 2-disc version with the wonderful instrumentals on and the standard DVD. But the prices were very reasonable for the content on offer.
Yet this "So" calamity it just the opposite. And it's about a year and six month's worth of excitement and anticipation down the drain.
Jonny7520 August 2012 at 6:33pmPosts: 55 (0 today)Status: offline
@AlexS Opening the discussion a little wider, the economics for these Deluxe Box Sets makes sense, but in order to justify their price (and they carry a HUGE profit margin) they do need to have exclusive and high quality content. The live VIP tickets may come at a premium, but they do have a soundcheck and front row seats. (Trent Reznor has a brilliant blog piece on this and on LiveNation/Ticketmaster.)
This one falls down as it has a premier price but distinctly average/poor content.
cebs20 August 2012 at 10:02pmPosts: 141 (0 today)Status: offline
After reading the other thread I found some info on this so it should be added to the list.
Track listing (US 12" Single (20749-0))
"Red Rain" - 5:35
"GA-GA (I go swimming instrumental)" - 4:31 -
"Walk Through The Fire" - 3:31
Not sure which version of WTTF this is from the two mentioned in the other thread, any ideas ?
Thinking about this any special versions of SO songs could have been used like Red Rain Live on Jools Holland 2011 which could have been a dvd extra also.
There are probably lots of different live versions of the tracks but loads of different In Your Eyes depending on who was on the gig at the same time. I remember the 2nd night at Wembley 2004 was a good version with loads of people coming back on stage with both the opening act and Sevara was very good and they all seemed to be having a good time.
I think there is a Red Rain with a couple of good guests on the singer from REM and a lady but not sure of her name.
I've got a couple of old hard drives that I cannot use at the moment that have a lot of my stuff on but this thread is making me want to sort them out. If we pool all our stuff I am sure we can make a cd or 2 that would please most people on here.
Bill Cason23 August 2012 at 2:16amPosts: 89 (0 today)Status: offline
I am so bummed by what is actually NOT being released on this reissue...
possibly the biggest disappointment for a "completist" album release ever...
makes me question if the folks working on this set really even know what we as Peter Gabriel fans want to spend our money on for materials we've mostly already bought a few times...Athens live show? really? no remixes or b-sides? really?
ridiculous...I'm not buying either configuration of this one...