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Forums » Album » sorry for this question but: is Peter making playback in certain songs live?
sngabriel20 August 2011 at 12:54amPosts: 34 (0 today)Status: offline
at the beginning of this song, great song, seems like Peter is making play back.
in some parts of the Growing Up dvd if you watch closely sometimes it seems that Peter is not really singing. I know he does. Ive seen him live and thereÂ´s no doubt about it but i think that, maybe, in sometracks he "protects" himself with that.or.i dont know. Maybe im wrong.
sngabriel20 August 2011 at 12:58amPosts: 34 (0 today)Status: offline
the song that im referring to and video its called
peter gabriel & new blood orchestra- in your eyes (hammersmith apollo 2011 multicam)
singing with him another great great voice: i think shes called Sevara.
other great voice Ane brun
ceridwen20 August 2011 at 9:36amPosts: 773 (0 today)Status: offline
Really, I am sure that Peter always sings live, he's too honest to do otherwise
rise20 August 2011 at 1:48pmPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
I think, sometimes in a filmtransfer pictures and sounds have not the same time!!
So it goes, when I transfer films taken by camera to a laptop.
I would think, PG would hate singing playback, because the real timing and expression is too important for him!
Reminic20 August 2011 at 2:29pmPosts: 133 (0 today)Status: offline
For the Apollo, it was live, I think I can warrant that 100 percent: I was close enough to spot the difference. To have an idea, you can look at the pictures in my profile, they were taken with a wide angle lens (~25mm for a full frame), and I was so close I could barely have both Peter and Sevara in the frame!
For the video, I think the multicam edit used footage from both nights to get the best possible coverage; but edited on a soundtrack recorded on one night only in order to avoid sound discontinuity at edit point. And of course, the images recorded on one night won't be perfectly in sync with the sound recorder the other night. that's just about how much one can do, I would say.
Maybe Intruder could confirm ?
Mr Beef20 August 2011 at 8:55pmPosts: 761 (0 today)Status: offline
PG often re-records live vocal parts and adds over-dubs afterwards in the studio - he even admits to "cheating" in this way on the sleave notes of Plays Live. The nearest you can get to "nothing added, nothing taken away" are the encore CDs or real bootlegs.
rise22 August 2011 at 9:47amPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
Now I looked at Intruders video, one thing I can confirm 100% , that it was not the 24. but the 23. of March, because I lent him my mascara before.LoL. Next evening he got along without it.
On that video I see no sign of playback, what is done in the studio later is something else. To mix it there, is normal, or?
DolceVita22 August 2011 at 10:47amPosts: 2321 (0 today)Status: offline
Snagabriel, i watched the video you posted carefully, and i think it's a matter of symmetry between video and sound, because sound is little bit delay with video, so it could be a problem of who have posted the video that is't not official, of course
Peter never sang in playback on live concerts, and Mr.Beef: you are right but i think to admit to do this re-singing of songs is not "a cheat", but it's honesty
. . . than many fans would want to have the original sounds, but you know, Peter is a perfectionist :-]
sngabriel31 August 2011 at 3:46pmPosts: 34 (0 today)Status: offline
Yes i totally agree with you, DolceVita, and everyone here.
And of course i didnt mean to doubt about Peter voice. Maybe i had that doubt cause Peter has one micro on his hand and another on his head, i ve never seen that before. And in the case of video, yes, a guess you are right. But, of course Listening to Peter live is a real pleasure.
HeÂ´s too honest and, as Mr Beef said, Peter has noted when he had "cheated" a little bit but only for quality purposes.
He doesn't do playback when he sings live: it would be impossible to pre-record so many mistakes, forgotten lyrics and bum notes.
The Soil17 September 2011 at 9:28amPosts: 1894 (0 today)Status: offline
I lol'd about that one, C!
Intruder20 September 2011 at 12:50amPosts: 25 (0 today)Status: offline
Sorry I'm so late in replying, but I just noticed this post a minute ago...
As I mentioned in the notes to the video posted and as Reminic quite clearly explained already, the sound is from the second night only, while the footage comes from both performances. This was not a project scripted and reharsed to have all angles covered, and you have to allow for certain moments of 'discontinuity'.
For example, there's a bit where you see Peter waving the microphone in the air (footage from first night) while the sound has him singing and vocalising: but that simply means that I had no images of Peter singing that bit (or that the ones I had were too shaky, too out of focus, etc...
Rest assured that there is not 1 single PG live output (be it cd or dvd) where he hasn't edited or smoothed out some bits - but that's called post processing and dubbing (or cheating ), not using playback in a live context!
cebs3 October 2011 at 10:24amPosts: 141 (0 today)Status: offline
And intruder had a restart on one night as his mic cable got caught and that;s hard to pre fake.