rise3 June 2012 at 1:09pmPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
I'm working in the psycho-clinical fields in germany and I 'm interested in the development of psychoanalysis in different areas of the world.
Here in Germany it is besides Behaviour Therapy and Depth Psychology ( a Small Form of PA) financed by the public Health System. You can visit a Psychoanalist and the health insurance will pay it. For others like Roger's Therapy or Family Therapy they will not pay.
That implicates, that the financial supported therapies now have more chance to develope themself further on and also, that they try to implement the other forms.
Is it similiar in other countries or do you have to carry the costs yourself?
One of Us4 June 2012 at 10:10pmPosts: 266 (0 today)Status: offline
Hi, interesting question...
Well the only very widely supported therapy in the UK - that is, funded by the national health service, is CBT - cognitive behavioural therapy. This is mainly due to the fact that it is a) fast b) direct and c) therefore cheap. As you may know , it is based in the "here and now" which is different to PA, for example, which is based primarily in the past. I believe this makes CBT more understandable, and therefore acceptable to MEDICAL professional and to POLITICIANS - who want therapies that deal with symptoms first, not underlying causes.
I believe this is a mistake.
There are other therapies available with public funding (such as Rogerian or Person Centred Therapy) but it's a hard thing to qualify for and the funding is time-limited and therefore limited in scope. The vast majority of psychotherapeutic treatment is self (privately) funded, sadly. This means those in most need often cannot afford treatment. Typically a 50 minute session will cost £30-£60.
My observation is that true psycho analysis is much more popular in Germany and particularly France. In France, it is even used to "treat" and condemn the parents of autistic children - which is not only wrong, but an absolute disgrace. I have no idea why this should be the case.
rise5 June 2012 at 12:19pmPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
Thanks for your reply, OoU! Interesting differences. I think in Germany the PA has a strong lobby in the medical psychotherapists, who are traditional more to PA . It has plus-points and minus-points: sometimes it seems like a kind of mafia- on the other hand, without this kind of intervention it is all a case of lawers and oeconomists, and as you said, those who need it directly have to go so mad, that they have free entrance to psychiatry, that's always free and in Germany they can stay very long and very good fed up with pills.And that's a very cost-intensive form of treatment,btw.
In my experience, there are good reasons for a multiculture psychotherapy scene:
people are different, problems also. So what?
One of Us6 June 2012 at 7:01pmPosts: 266 (0 today)Status: offline
I certainly agree Rise that multicultural or multi-stranded approaches offer the best chance for an individual. In my view the best therapists are those who can flex and adjust treatment to the individual / issue. I practice in the UK and this is my approach. But naturally, it means I'm less specialised but the clients seem to appreciate an integrated approach.
Actually true PA is much harder to find here. It's seems to have got a bad press, as has Freud generally (maybe with good reason!) I'm more Jungian in approach by nature, so I would say that!
rise7 June 2012 at 12:05pmPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
Freud is a bit on the upstairs here again. Also behaviourists say: Freud was better than his followers. Always good for a story and so on.
Jungian by nature?
By the way my car was already often demaged by your avatar!
One of Us7 June 2012 at 4:37pmPosts: 266 (0 today)Status: offline
Lol, sorry about that, he gets over excited!
rise8 June 2012 at 3:24pmPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
Next time please with cars, who's owner is a Kraftfahrzeugmechaniker or has enough money to pay one!
I would say, Jung wouldn't like this kind of symbolic destruction of the ability to fly away.
rise19 June 2012 at 12:45pmPosts: 956 (0 today)Status: offline
Don't know how we came to martens, the original theme was development of psychoanalysis or psychotherapy in other countrys.
Are the psychologists everywhere more behaviourists now and the psychiatrists more psychoanalysts?For example in US ,Italy and France. And are they public or privat? Did they integrate other forms of therapy. Do they deny the construct of "Mother is always the guilty one" or does it live further on? Is it as patriarchal as it was? Has Behaviorism ever a close relation to arts(that's the main manco imo)?
May I speak.6 July 2012 at 12:46amPosts: 317 (0 today)Status: offline
A compass would not help at all here One has a momentary lapse of reason, and can kill, another man gives the ok and bombs are dropped. Which one is mad? Analyse that? By the way no offence caused!!!