Joey Chive1 April 2009 at 11:36pmPosts: 180 (0 today)Status: offline
Someone called this a ?godly site? and inferred that I?m making it ungodly by my posts. Got to answer this one. I?m going to tell you why I am here. It?s because Peter Gabriel said that Jesus was divine (see ?Last Temptation? quotes). It?s because of the many references to Jesus Christ on practically all of Peter Gabriel?s albums. It?s because Genesis dedicated their first album to the Bible and large sections of other albums also, e.g. Foxtrot, The Lamb Lies Down, and more. It is because of these reasons that I am here. I wouldn?t be here if not for those meritorious reasons I just gave. I will be gone tomorrow if Peter tells me to go. And all of you who do not like my posts, you are invited to not read them. If you want to leave little remarks after them - remarks of opposition, contradiction, and even hostility - I am going to try ignore them from now on. If you don?t agree with what I write, fine. Maybe there is someone who does. Maybe this will make them happy in life. Maybe even Peter Gabriel does. I do not know for sure. But one thing I do know, and this Peter will agree with: It was not Peter Gabriel who died for the sin of the world. Another thing I know, and I hope Peter agrees with this: It was Jesus Christ who died for the sin of the world and rose again on the third day to never die again. You will meet Him, so I suggest to get on His side before that happens.
NeedyGreedy2 April 2009 at 2:28amPosts: 105 (0 today)Status: offline
If God is within each of us, then perhaps we all died a little on that hill so long ago. And if time is, as the physicists say, nothing but a manifestation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics and has no reality apart from that which mathematicians and scientists give it, the we will die again on the Cross of Calvary.
There are reasons why we do things that are known to our conscious minds. That is all that we can know. The ontological contradiction - we can know only that which we are capable of knowing.
But I submit that there may be reasons why we are here, or there, or everywhere, that are not known to us and that sometimes they have significance that can exceed our own ego viewpoints! I believe that God and the Unconscious know things that we do not and that He and It move us as chess pieces on a board, sometimes, perhaps often, for purposes unknown to us fully or at all. Not my will but Thine. Amen.
So to say, " I do thus and so for this reason and that." is to say only, "As far as I know."
Some things are not known to us, yet they exist no less for our lack of awareness.
Synnie2 April 2009 at 2:29amPosts: 4169 (0 today)Status: offline
You only see and describe, what you want to see, never the whole picture. You always ignored any other offered side of the very same. .
Nothing new. A pity, really.
Try to find common and real denominators, and leave fakes behind.
BTW, you were asked right at the beginning, to write to him yourself. Provable. But it was you, who did not.
Synnie2 April 2009 at 2:30amPosts: 4169 (0 today)Status: offline
Sorry, you were faster than me, NeedyGreedy, I meant Joey.
Synnie2 April 2009 at 2:41amPosts: 4169 (0 today)Status: offline
NeedyGreedy4 April 2009 at 7:54amPosts: 105 (0 today)Status: offline
well, I'm not in agreement with the literal idea of there being no religion. Religious organizations have done magnificent things to make the world a better place. Billions and billions of dollars are collected and distributed by Christian religious organizations to the needy.
And it was Christian movements that spearheaded the political reforms that eventually abolished slavery in the U.S. and subsequently in the laws of the international community of civilized nations. SO doing away with religion would not be a good idea unless it could be replaced with.?
Sure, John Lennon was trying to say that Spirituality is the true essence of religions and that one need not be a religious person to be a good person, or even a great person. But fanatical anti-religion sentiment is IMO another form of dangerous bigotry that has no place in our civilized world.
If there were some way to add "and no fanatical militant, intolerant religion too," to the song, I would be a big fan, but I am afraid that deserved or not, "Imagine" has come to be sort of an anthem for atheists, and atheism I think if taken to the extreme of being anti-spiritual fanaticism is not a good thing for anyone.
And all too often with many people, being fanatically anti-religion translates into being anti-spritual, which may be as much a path to insanity as fanatical fundamentalism.
IMO the pop culture, which has no real interest in spirituality nor morality nor classic culture, but only convenience and fun, and is the real enemy of civlilization. Not necessarily religion per se.
Too often poetic lytrics are ambiguous, which may be one of their only drawbacks in comparison with literature, which is by nature, more precise and less prone to misiterpretation.