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Saw that you took your mug offline & let the dancing chicken take it's place. . . hope you haven't given up. Been reading your posts - can't say that I agree with everything you've said, but I admire your passion. . . not to mention your intelligence & coherence. Beats the heck outta some of the ramblings we get around here. Spam? I find your posts anything but. I'd gladly sit down & discuss with an intelligent person than argue with an idiot anytime. Don't let the ignorant get you down - ya can't say I didn't warn you. :-] I'll see ya on the other side. . . despite our different paths on getting there, we both agree on two fundamental ideas: There is such a thing as Everlasting Life. And we're both damn sure that we're right. :-]

Few examples as reminders of what we have been talking about here for long enough, just in case, it slipped s.o.'s memory: http://www.janesoceania.com/australia_aboriginal_dreamtime1/index1.htm http://www.everlife.org/powerup.htm http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Everlasting-Life-Translation-Immortality/dp/1852305681 Not to forget the numerous mentionings of native indians etc. Again, all it needs is translations, and not only into one language or religion. . . And there was this everlasting Bath dream. . . While some musicians are into loopings for long, inspired by asians, actually. No wonder, even the ying yang sign etc. Think round

What if scientists like Aubrey De Grey discover that human beings can stop the aging process and we can in fact literally live forever right here on earth? What if the Hadron Collider experiments lead to us understanding the nature of the universe better than the holy books we as a species have relied on to date? What if Sam Harris is correct? What if people's belief in God is based on neuro-linguistic programming instead of actual proven facts? It is not possible for us to experience all things ourselves so we rely on the words of others to give us direction and an understanding of the world around us. But what if in our quest to understand things we choose one person or system to explain, rather than taking knowledge from many sources? Its far easier to accept the word of one group than to listen to many groups and form our own informed opinions. If we weren't talking about religion previously you would probably agree with me but as soon as we start debating belief in God, the conversation becomes uncomfortable. Open dialogue is the only thing worth believing in, in my humble opinion. I think if anyone could actually prove that their book was the true divine book they would have done it by now, but they haven't to my satisfaction, so I'll stay over here on my side of the fence. Man its hot over here Enjoy tearing this post apart everyone

Sorry, SF. . . but I think you'll find a lot of folks here that agree with you. Hope you don't get too hot waiting for people to tear into your post. :-]

I thought that I was thinking when I wrote my post but the truth is that this part of the forum is called "Educate Peter" and really I think this area isn't for us to debate but to post ideas that PG or his group of thinkers might find interesting. I think that he's almost certainly aware that there are people that believe in Jesus so I'm not sure how the original post that got me fired up is in any way relevant. Really I should have taken the responsible way out and not posted at all. That said, I know Peter has millions of fans, why are we the only 4 posting here?.I think I'll stop and be happy that one person replied to my original post coherently and give up on all this other stuff. Maybe I'll confine myself to posting links to thought provoking stuff like: http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html these guys, or :http://www.samharris.org/ or :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey . Though I'm sure PG is aware of all of this without my help. If you care to really debate me go to : http://forums.rocketace.ca/index.php?action=collapse;c=2;sa=collapse;#2;action=collapse;c=3;sa=collapse;#3;action=collapse;c=4;sa=collapse;#4;action=collapse;c=5;sa=collapse;#5 a big link I know, the simpler way is www.propagator.tv. Have a nice day

Don't worry, its not really the first time, that we are discussing such things here, dear ShaunieFav. And some are simply tired of it (because it often only wears you out), plus it seems to a kind of sysiphos work, because there are always some coming, that think, that we or Peter never ever heard about all that(LOL, what makes them think so???), which actually simply is not the case (as I know for many themes). And this constantly makes me ask, if a poster has ever REALLY listened to what Peter was singing. . .once we are here. . . I do not mean you, S., I think, you bring some good points, even if this is not really the forum to discuss such things at length, it seems(to me). I actually also have my buts about the "other side", that started to behave the same way as fundamental religious people in some points, but in general, it is always healthy to see things from all sides, which then also requires the will of all sides to listen to the other side as well, also Peters here! When that is not clear and a monologue continues, one can as well simply move on to the next thread. While "Think round" has more to say than just the form of the Big Blue Ball. Anyhow, thanks, I will check your links (with some of them I am familiar with), even if there for sure is not enough time to participate. And yes, REV for sure also has many good things to say to many themes, from surely rich own experiences. And not only I would be more than happy to read more about (I suppose at least).

I'm kind of curious as to what line of theology Rev. Bob has his doctorate in. Not wanting to be too nosey. Just curious, and might help to illuminate discussion. Take the 5th, Bob, if you wish. For myself, I have spent thirty years studying comparative religion and philosophy, not that it makes me an expert in anything. But I like the topic. What I believe personally is hard to put into words. The closest thing that I would call an accurate description of God can be found in a physics book.

And there are numerous non verbal descriptions, only most people don't realise this and make the mistake to reduce/complicate it into words. No wonder that we have so many misunderstandings. . . about something so easy

"I talk in pictures not is words"

the Official Website of Theosophical Society, Adyar http://www.ts-adyar.org/ Edgar Cayce's A.R.E. http://www.edgarcayce.org/ Akashic records - Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_Records the Ancient & Mystical Order Rosae Crucis http://www.amorc.org/ The Philosophical Research Society http://prs.org/about.htm

I'm sorry that I haven't responded to your post earlier Rev Bob, but I only just saw it. I thank you for your kind words. My famliy is praying for you Rev Bob. We all appreciate your kind spirit. I haven't given up friend. I'll keep on posting, and if someone gets upset, they are only getting upset because of their own insecurity of position. God bless you Rev Bob. Love , joe

Lol, how would you know about other's insecurity? Take care of yours and don't try to put your shoe onto others. They may not fit and thus be rejected, for good. Being in tune is the best security, one can have, all around the world. No step back is of importance, if one immediately gets two steps forwards, two more doors opened. That kind of swing tells everything. "All truths are within you To look for truth outside yourself is like to search for water outside the ocean" (a korean buddhist master) Namaste (to name only one of other fitting shoes, there is not only one pair)

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