One of Us2 September 2012 at 10:57amPosts: 266 (0 today)Status: offline
Well I agree with xtrmx in that I find it very distracting when there is a less than good match between visuals and vocals. Thats not just about match up, but also that the "feel" of the sound and visuals should ideally "match". This is a very subtle thing and not just about straight timing.
The original POV has this problem in spades too, so I guess it's the way it was filmed /edited etc. It may even be the reason it was put together as it was, with lots of cutaways etc.
In terms of post production dubbing, while I understand why PG would want to release a pristine version, I would really prefer "warts and all". These kind of performances are sometimes the best actually - you can hear many examples of this in the Encore Series of CDs. I love the authenticity, it adds to the motion for me!
So I guess it's usually going to be a blend of these two polar 'ideals' on a commercial release, I'd prefer PG erred on the side of authenticity rather than "professional sheen". I think he did this perfectly with Live Blood and Growing Up DVDs for example.
The YouTube clip does sound too clean and is rather at odds with the visuals in places. I find it errs in the "wrong" direction for me, at least.
As far as PG's actual live vocals are concerned, my own empirical take is that they have vastly improved in a live setting since the 70s and 80s. I think he's worked on his vocals over time and added more technical prowess to the natural beauty of those pipes Thinking back to 1980 - 87 gigs I saw, they could sometimes by quite ropey. Of course, that doesnt mean they were bad - far from it - just more "spirited" than "on the money" note-wise!! He certainly wasn't lip-synching
Recently, his vocals are (more often than not) excellent technically, so perhaps he's just happier to release them as they were. I much prefer this approach.
Mozo is Rael2 September 2012 at 3:32pmPosts: 252 (0 today)Status: offline
the philly recordings would be the reference for "warts and all" for the original So tour. obviously, you cannot have a commercial release with heavy breathing in his wireless mic. i tend to agree too much overdubbing is used on his (and other) commercial concert releases. i believe this is a common practice for other artists.
i hate to keep going back to "plays live," but most double albums from that era used the "cheating" described in its liner notes. for example, i concluded that "frampton comes alive" was almost entirely recorded in the studio on about the tenth listening. PoV was one of the first concert films. please recall PG's level of activity level while he was singing. after a few minutes of moving about the stage like a monkey, i would be completely out of breath and unable to sing.
this way up:
the philadelphia spectrum
Mozo is Rael2 September 2012 at 8:01pmPosts: 252 (0 today)Status: offline
i also contend that any overdubbing on PoV was contemporaneous to its release. why would you buy "live at athens" if you did not like this on the original?
Mozo is Rael2 September 2012 at 8:15pmPosts: 252 (0 today)Status: offline
@Jonny75: thanks for the info on SWL "red rain." i need to re-listen to the blu-ray version.